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DangerDuke - I agree that Panarchy will never be 'recognized', however it IS a reflection of human nature and so-called society. Government is a set of rules within a specific territory, yet we do live in a (human) world where CHOICE and use of religion, and other human interactions (business, friends, movement, eating etc.) are all different and respected by others without having to be A single 'way' within A land mass. Government is at best a human concept - service provider, mainly protection. But if one really thinks about the reality of 'protection', its NOT a preventative practice so much as a punishing reality. (laws do not prevent actions, only warn of punishment AFTER damages done) And as a service provider, government is the LEAST effective means for that! No business would last if it practiced the extortion and imposition of ITS needs onto its 'customers'. Yet government imposes taxes, which break any links of cause and effect, and reverse the cart & horse so that the citizens do extra work that mainly (only?) benefits government. Roads are the usual example of need for centralized control, but again, if thought is applied - isn't it a fact of human existence that movement within the world is a necessity of life? And if ownership of land is also a human 'tool', then EACH land would be equally subject to easements as all owners would make use of other properties to 'cross' for whatever reasons they would have. Roadways developed along paths, city streets usually DEEDED as easements from land owners.

All 'got-to-do-this-a-way' thought are most likely default LEARNED 'rules' that people impose upon their own basic nature. Yes, many have a RESPECTFULLY MUTUAL basis, but instead of understanding and honoring those needs, the 'rules' have become the RULERS - unchallenged and never changed - even when no functioning for the benefit of those 'ruled'. Rather opens the doors for less effective/sociopath behavior finding a niche that it otherwise wouldn't have available doesn't it? And aren't there 'goose/gander' laws/rules that limit the citizenry, but NOT the 'leaders'?!? Plus think of all those numbers game TRAPS that fall into the last sentence's outline - fiat money - imposed by a FEW, but 'lived' with by the masses (who's only option for change is a MASS awareness and 'vote' which is never going to happen, especially when voting machines ARE programmed).

So we mice are left to live more like silverfish - in the cracks and as best we can while still paying bounty to 'leaders' and ever increasing government 'workers' (paycheck collectors) who one wouldn't allow to babysit one's kids or look into your wallet. Its a topsy-tursy set up that is more like a pyramid balancing on its top than one which rests on a broad, solid base. But hey, if good citizens like supporting that ineffectual structure - I say - Have fun! but also don't plan to be in the 'shadow' of that mass when it tips over and flattens those who supported it until their last ounce of effort gave way. 

Ever ponder the difference between 'vote' and 'ballot'?!? I do the first all the time (daily life choices), but avoid the rubber stamp of approval for PREdetermined outcomes of the latter. And of course each of us can and will make their own decisions - hooray!, but I do hope that more will also be accepting of independence that does NOT impose or demand from others which has not been prior agreed upon by those involved. Do any of use have a 'right' to impose (demand) from others??

easytapper said
I guess I'm in the minority, but it seems fair to the electric companies.  Why should they be forced to pay retail for electricity from end users??  They should be able to pay wholesale rates just as they would anywhere else.  Am I missing something?

I agree that as a business, electrical companies have the same right to purchase at re-saleable prices. What isn't apparent or visible is the subsidized payment so many utility companies do receive which does 'pay' them back to offer lower appearing rates. Plus for those who do not want to sell their electricity at the rates that companies are willing to pay, (solar) producers to go grid free! The choice is theirs. But it seems that a set of batteries isn't what most people want to live with (and maintain).