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21 Oct ’14 - 10:10 am
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anyone ever read The Hot Zone?

http://learn.flvs.ne.....otZone.pdf

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This was one of the first epidemiology books that wasn't a text book.  My signed hardback copy sits proudly on my shelf.  I went to amazon to link this at thought to myself "holy $^$% that was almost 20 years ago!"

The Coming Plague:Newly Emerging Diseases in a World Out of Balance

Unpurified drinking water. Improper use of antibiotics. Local warfare. Massive refugee migration. Changing social and environmental conditions around the world have fostered the spread of new and potentially devastating viruses and diseases—HIV, Lassa, Ebola, and others. Laurie Garrett takes you on a fifty-year journey through the world's battles with microbes and examines the worldwide conditions that have culminated in recurrent outbreaks of newly discovered diseases, epidemics of diseases migrating to new areas, and mutated old diseases that are no longer curable. She argues that it is not too late to take action to prevent the further onslaught of viruses and microbes, and offers possible solutions for a healthier future.

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Thanks ash. Will order it

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UK parliament briefing note, thought it was interesting

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Wonder which three hospital systems it was that they talked to

(Reuters) - The Ebola crisis is forcing the American healthcare system to consider the previously unthinkable: withholding some medical interventions because they are too dangerous to doctors and nurses and unlikely to help a patient.

U.S. hospitals have over the years come under criticism for undertaking measures that prolong dying rather than improve patients' quality of life.

But the care of the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States, who received dialysis and intubation and infected two nurses caring for him, is spurring hospitals and medical associations to develop the first guidelines for what can reasonably be done and what should be withheld.

Officials from at least three hospital systems interviewed by Reuters said they were considering whether to withhold individual procedures or leave it up to individual doctors to determine whether an intervention would be performed.

Ethics experts say they are also fielding more calls from doctors asking what their professional obligations are to patients if healthcare workers could be at risk.

U.S. health officials meanwhile are trying to establish a network of about 20 hospitals nationwide that would be fully equipped to handle all aspects of Ebola care.

Their concern is that poorly trained or poorly equipped hospitals that perform invasive procedures will expose staff to bodily fluids of a patient when they are most infectious. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is working with kidney specialists on clinical guidelines for delivering dialysis to Ebola patients. The recommendations could come as early as this week.   

The possibility of withholding care represents a departure from the "do everything" philosophy in most American hospitals and a return to a view that held sway a century ago, when doctors were at greater risk of becoming infected by treating dying patients.

"This is another example of how this 21st century viral threat has pulled us back into the 19th century," said medical historian Dr. Howard Markel of the University of Michigan.   

Some ethicists and physicians take issue with the shift.

Because the world has almost no experience treating Ebola patients in state-of-the-art facilities rather than the rudimentary ones in Africa, there are no reliable data on when someone truly is beyond help, whether dialysis can make the difference between life and death, or even whether cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) can be done safely with proper protective equipment and protocols.

Such procedures "may have diminishing effectiveness as the severity of the disease increases, but we simply have no data on that," said Dr. G. Kevin Donovan, director of the bioethics center at Georgetown University.

Donovan said he had received inquiries from fellow physicians about whether hospitals should draw up lists of procedures that would not be performed on an Ebola patient. "To have a blanket refusal to offer these procedures is not ethically acceptable,” he said he told the doctors.

 

NEW GUIDELINES

Nevertheless, discussions about adopting policies to withhold care in Ebola cases are under way at places like Geisinger Health System, which operates hospitals in Pennsylvania, and Intermountain Healthcare, which runs facilities in Utah, according to their spokesmen.

Dr Nancy Kass, a bioethicist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said healthcare workers should not hesitate to perform a medically necessary procedure so long as they have robust personal protective gear.

So far, only two U.S. hospitals have used kidney dialysis: Texas Health Presbyterian Dallas, which treated Liberian patient Thomas Duncan and where two nurses became infected, and Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, which has treated four Ebola patients at its biocontainment unit without any healthcare workers becoming infected.

Although it is not yet clear how the Dallas nurses became infected, health officials have questioned both the lack of adequate training in the use of protective gear and the decision to perform invasive procedures.

The American Society of Nephrology and CDC are now working on new dialysis guidelines for Ebola patients, whose kidneys often fail. In some cases, dialysis can help a patient get through the worst of the illness until their own immune system can fend off the virus.

Nephrologist Dr. Harold Franch said the new guidelines will consider both whether the procedure is medically necessary and whether the hospital can do it safely.

"Most academic medical centers and many good private tertiary care hospitals will be able to do this," he said. Yet he thinks many hospitals may not offer the service, since “it takes a lot of money and time to train people.”

    

TREAT, OR FLEE?

Throughout the history of medicine some doctors have declined to treat infectious patients or fled epidemics, said Michigan's Markel. Greek physician and philosopher Galen fled Rome during the bubonic plague 1,800 years ago, doctors deserted European cities stricken by the Black Death of the Middle Ages, and some health workers refused to treat HIV/AIDS patients in the 1980s.

"The idea that a doctor would stick to his post to the last during an epidemic, that's not part of the Hippocratic Oath," Markel said. "If you feel your life is at risk you don't have to stay and provide care."

At University of Chicago Medicine, questions of taking last-ditch measures were discussed early in the hospital's Ebola planning, said Dr. Emily Landon, a bioethicist and epidemiologist.

Decisions about offering services such as dialysis or inserting a breathing tube are made in advance by the hospital's care team in consultation with patients. But if a doctor on the team feels in the moment that she cannot provide the service, another may step in and do the procedure.

Landon views dialysis as a "no brainer" for Ebola patients, and believes the risks are fairly low to the well-trained nursing staff who have volunteered for the hospital's isolation ward. 

But putting in a breathing tube and putting them on a ventilator is more controversial.

"We have very little experience with that except for Mr Duncan, who didn't do well," she said. The hospital plans to consult with patients before the need arises and plans to insert a breathing tube at the earliest sign that it might be needed.

CPR, which is performed when a patient's breathing or heart stops, also poses risks. It can involve chest compressions, inserting breathing tubes and other invasive procedures.

If a patient goes into cardiac or respiratory arrest, a team would have to don protective gear. Rushing could leave them without proper protection, but a delay could make the procedure ineffective.

That represents too great a risk for caregivers for what could be "a futile act," said Dr. Joseph Fins, chief of medical ethics at Weill Cornell Medical College in New York City.

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Last night at our shift to shift meeting in the ER we were told about the hospital guidelines for what treatments are deemed to risky for nursing staff.  This was only word of mouth from the department manager and she didn't have written guidelines.  I don't expect them to be printed at any time to avoid them being leaked or plausible deniability.  I really trust our management THAT much.

 First, paramedics won't be taking care of suspected Ebola Viral Disease (EVD) patients.  There are some tasks paramedics can't do in the ER, yet nurses are capable  of doing everything we are.  To decrease the amount of exposures, only nurses and doctors will care for patients. We, in fact, had a suspected patient the other day (i believe he was trolling) and the attending physician gowned up and did all of his care-assessment, IV, lab draw, meds until he was ruled out as having EVD, just to keep anyone else from a potential exposure.

Second, if a patient comes into our ER with violent, end stage EVD, they'll be placed in isolation and the patient will wait until someone "trained to work in biocontainment" arrives.  I don't know if that means the new Army response team, someone from the Level III biolab here in town, or if they have some other arrangement.  Basically they are getting the "military triage"- put them near the generator so we can't hear them.  

Last, we won't intubate, resuscitate, or dialyse anyone in end stage EVD.  I think the Dr. Emily Landon ought to consult with someone who actually does dialysis before calling it a no-brainer.  You have to have a surgeon and an assistant place a dialysis catheter, which is a messy procedure, before dialysis can be done.  I don't see a hospital risking a surgeon to do the procedure.  

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so he came in claiming to have ebola?

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Without giving too many details, he claims to have rode public transportation and sat next to an african immigrant, who may or may not have come from a country with an outbreak. He went to work at a mall food court and said the word "ebola" and was brought to the hospital.  this jackass probably wasted more than 100 man hours between EMS and nursing staff, closed a mall food court,quarentined a city bus,  and closed a busy ER triage area for a couple of hours while everything was sorted out. Oh, and he wanted us to call his parole officer because his house arrest ankle bracelet was probably going off.

I guess the upside is that we had a dry run of our isolation procedures and we have time to work out the kinks. Come to find out, the hazmat trailer that contains all of our decontamination tents and showers was across town at our other hospital campus.  OOPS!

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