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12 Oct ’16 - 4:05 pm
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Anyone else hearing about this?  My FB is lit up with this stuff today.

http://anonhq.com/pe.....n-history/

https://www.rt.com/news/362511-russian-officials-tabloids-war/

I really find it near impossible that any one of the super powers would do a first strike, per-emptive strike, or limited/tactical strike first.  The only ones I would think would do that would be a smaller rogue state that wants to see an end to the world, or massive shake up in the status quo.  Am I being naive in thinking that?

The only option that would preclude that previous statement is if Russia and/or China somehow think they have some kind of super advantage against us.  ie being able to crash our systems via EMP, viruses, etc.  ie, maybe cripple us and then launch a land attack in Europe??  But even that type of thing seems ludicrous to me.

Has the US did what they said they were going to do and launched a cyber attack and Russia is using that as a provocation of war?  Even then, I wouldn't want to believe they would use a nuclear option.

Now the conspiracy side of me wonders:

Is this some kind of plot/plan to keep Obama in office?

Is this fear mongering being done to help Hillary in the election? In reality, if we're on the brink of war, who'd you rather have?  As much as I hate her, I think Hillary for me.

 

Sorry for the rambling.  Anyone have thoughts?

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14 Oct ’16 - 10:07 pm
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Damn, first I am hearing about this. Did find this.

http://www.dailymail.....l-war.html

I wonder who the pentagon has more faith in, Hillary or Trump? Would they go rogue and do their own thing?

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15 Oct ’16 - 5:22 am
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This has been looming for 4 years, at least to this end.

Before that and after the cold war we devastated them financially and surrounded them and scooped up former USSR's into NATO.

3 1/2 years ago US was trying to "oust Assad" and bomb Syria, asked for allied support, England told us to f*** off. Putin sent an open letter to the NY times addressed to the American people, warhawks got pissed. So the CIA went into Ukraine and destabilized that and started a civil war, then Crimea was annexed.

Then back to Syria after the U.S. thought they exhausted the Russians through that conflict and sanctions.

Well, Putin is the richest leader in the world, and China's Yuan was recently accepted as reserve currency. This allows sanctions to mean less as others can now trade with it.

So, Russia is fine. The Paris attacks were retaliation, and at the time, there was a contract up in the air to Canada for NATO jets, and that was the perfect opportunity to fly Raphaels into Syria and "Bomb ISIS", and videos were up on Youtube within 18 hours promoting the Raphael over the Typhoon, Super Hornet, and bunk F-35. But these are the side deals.

You'll remember the "chemical attacks" by Assad against his own people. Well, turned out that was US backed rebels against Assad.

The US has been running an anti-Russia campaign steadily for 3 years since after Putin sent the open letter to the NY times, and was subsequently nominated for the Nobel peace prize, so the 1%'r geopolitical shift is all over the place.

Late last December I believe, Russia had enough bullshit, and sent a strong worded statement to Obama, essentially saying "say it to our face, no more back door deals after backstabbing us on camera".

Soon after sanctions tightened. We all knew this was a proxy war as Syria is a key ally of Russia with a key naval port. You'll remember Turkey shot down the SU-24 Fencer(total NATO provacation) then Russia sent in S-300 & 400's in. A couple weeks later, Turkey's airman center was "suicide bombed" with dozens of their pilots dead. Hmmm......

Remember Obama hilarious speech a year ago, "ya know, there are folks out there callin this a proxy war between Russia and the US like this is some kinda chess match. Well, that's simply not true, you clearly haven't been looking at the chessboard".....UM, WHAT DID HE JUST SAY?!!

Russia made clear long ago it would war to lose conventionally, and they won't. They have the advantage in every single spectrum of nuclear weapons and defense.

Whereas before I thought the proxy war would continue through a rogue nuke, I now believe Russia will certainly strike first, and a lot of the world will not mourn. They will align with China/Russia.

I could go on forever, but if it's not getting any coverage, get your potassium iodide and geiger counters while you still can, and relatively cheap. It's prep time for bug out kits imo.

Unless you have a pre-1975 vehicle and some knowledge, or a farraday cage wrapped around your vehicle, ya better have bikes n horses, or lots of guns and ammo and an ugly home...

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15 Oct ’16 - 5:30 am
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And before I hit the sack, the generals want Trump, elements in the Pentagon want Hillary.

The goal being to fight a nuclear war while they're all chillin in their bunkers in New Zealand.

Trump is pro-russia, Hillary wants to bomb everyone/thing she doesn't like that week.

As far as keeping Obama in office, there are tens of thousands of angry men waiting for this bullshit to happen.

No one expected the Trump phenomenon to be so successful. He's actually a libertarian pretty much.

The war drums are only beating unless Trump gets elected,so....

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15 Oct ’16 - 2:07 pm
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thanks spark, hadn't heard about some of that.

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Sparkuri said
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Russia made clear long ago it would war to lose conventionally, and they won't. They have the advantage in every single spectrum of nuclear weapons and defense.

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what does that first sentence mean 

and as for the second sentence, what in the world does it mean to have an advantage in nuclear weapons when the US has submarines scattered all over the world 

and an advantage in defense ?  

all Russian oil pipelines would be destroyed, Moscow would be destroyed, all farmland useless

would the US be screwed ?
absolutely
the entire East coast would be ash

but when it comes to nuclear war it really makes no sense to say one side has an advantage in defense over the other 

this is old, but still 
http://futureoflife......s/#nukemap

http://nuclearsecrec.....m/nukemap/

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jl said

what does that first sentence mean 

and as for the second sentence, what in the world does it mean to have an advantage in nuclear weapons when the US has submarines scattered all over the world 

and an advantage in defense ?  

all Russian oil pipelines would be destroyed, Moscow would be destroyed, all farmland useless

would the US be screwed ?
absolutely
the entire East coast would be ash

but when it comes to nuclear war it really makes no sense to say one side has an advantage in defense over the other 

this is old, but still 
http://futureoflife......s/#nukemap

http://nuclearsecrec.....kemap/  

That first sentence was meant to say, "Russia made it clear in a confrontation they would go nuclear"

 

What it means to have an advantage in the the nuclear realm, is that they began stealthing their nukes during Putin's first term.

The hardest cross-section to detect is a stealth tube. While the U.S. was concentrating on conventional contracts, Russia was modernizing their nuke force, including subs. I believe no one "wins" in a nuclear war, per se. As Denzel Washington said in Crimson Tide, "The enemy is war itself". But if push came to shove, the U.S. has more to lose, is more transparent, smaller, with less.

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I don't know that the US has "less" than Russia. In terms of GDP, which in turn will determine availability of resources to produce arms during a conflict, Russia sits at like 12 or 13 in the world. That doesn't speak to any comparative advantage, but in terms of resource availability the US most certainly has more to work with.

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