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JSW
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I am looking for some general direction to help us move forward in our homestead planning process.

1. Looking to move from California to Idaho.

2. Would like to supply as much of our needs ourselves.

3. Are looking to purchase land outright and build mostly ourselves to prevent having a mortgage.

 

One of my hang ups, due to inexperience, is figuring out how much space we will need.

I am looking at:

3/2 house, suitable barn/shop, greenhouse, smokehouse, possibly a small pond, root cellar, chicken coop, garden/fruit trees, bees/apiary etc..

Animals:

Cow with 1 yr old and calf (Dexter breed) (milk and meat)

6-10 sheep (meat)

1-2 pigs (meat)

Chickens (eggs and meat)

Ducks possibly

Goats possibly

 

The property we settle on will likely be mostly or all forest so some will need to be converted to pasture. We would like to keep a significant amount of trees but also provide our own supplemental feed for the animals for the winter.

 

Does this seem like it would feed 4-5? Also, is this likely to fit on 10 acres?

 

I am fully aware that this will likely be a large daily undertaking, am I biting of more than I can chew?

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working on something right now but I will post some thoughts later, JSW, this article might interest you, it has some examples of different layouts and a good reference for footage required per animal

http://thehomesteadi.....ufficient/

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Thanks, I've already read and book marked that page and watched the videos. Great info, but unfortunately I am searching for more detailed/specific/granular info. I might need to get that book you suggested.

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all this

3/2 house, suitable barn/shop, greenhouse, smokehouse, possibly a small pond, root cellar, chicken coop, garden/fruit trees, bees/apiary etc..

can be done in a very small space, it's pretty much what we have in our 160x180 yard, which the pond takes up a huge part of it

that's seems like a lot of meat, have you thought of using a goat for milk? The birds take up hardly anything, but the cows and sheep are going to need the most space, figure 5 acres of grazing for them. If you are going to hay, figure about 50-100 bales per acre depending on the growing and harvesting methods. Some people get 2000 lbs per acre, some 4000 but an overly dry or wet season can throw those numbers way off.  We have used 60 bales so far this winter and that is with giving them a bag of grain over 4 days or so.

So figure on the low end, 4-5 acres for hay would be my rough estimate, but contact the local agriculture dept in the spot you are looking at. They will be able to tell you specifically what you can expect in that area and they will be a good resource for you.

Once you add in firewood harvesting, I think that 15 acres or above would be more realistic, but it all depends on how self-sufficient you want to be. I would buy the biggest piece I could afford, They aint making any more land.

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 I'm planning our homestead as well. 

   We plan to use less than 5 acres. Will only have chickens, earthworms and fish.

   We plan to use a greenhouse to house our aquaponics system. This way we can grow year-round. 

   

  

    Fish are easier to clean and harvest (for me) than other animals. Also,  they use less space.

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Will does some amazing stuff in Minnesota with his greenhouses

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That is some great info, thanks! I considered goats instead of a cow briefly. I am not sure how much different goats milk is in terms of taste, quality, nutrients and butter, cheese (Gouda)/yoghurt making. I'm particularly interested in the CLA and vitamin K2 from cow's milk, I suppose I'll have to look into the nutrition of goat's milk or maybe consider just having one cow for milk. I decided on sheep vs cow as the main meat source due to reasons such as: if one dies, there are several more, shorter birth-to-butchering time and easier to handle. I appreciate the insight about the total quantity of meat though. I estimate we eat about 10 lbs of meat between us each week, so about 260 lbs. of meat a year per teenager/adult. I also intend to do some hunting and fishing...

Chicken and pork are not as important meat wise, maybe once a week each except for bacon which is 4 breakfasts a week. Eggs however, are very important. We eat 2 dozen eggs a week which cost $6.99/dozen currently.

What are your thoughts regarding a mortgage on land? I could definitely afford a larger property if I put 40% down. My intent in that case would be to have it paid off in 15 years or less.

 

Thanks for the video farmboy. I have seen some of that, it's very impressive. It is something I could definitely do, I'll keep it in mind. I wonder if it can be done with trout instead of tilapia. Unfortunately, as much as I love fish, we need a lot of red meat so I don't think I can go quite as small as you. What other projects are you planning?

KVR, I spent 3 hours the other night pouring through your thread about building your house. That was very informative, I learned a lot about the process and I am considering it as a possibility of design for our home, especially if we do end up in a colder climate. How is the home during the summer, my wife wanted to know if it also kept the home cool during the heat. Is your pond well/spring fed, purely rain water and/or water table level?

 

I also need to consider options for a home based business. I have lots of possibilities, but I am looking into livestock or bees. I probably need to figure out how much space that will take as well separately from the self sustaining part of the homestead. Can 100 bee hives be kept in near proximity to each other? It looks like sheep are about 5 to an acre, so between the grazing pasture, pasture for winter feed and water I'd probably need a lot more land than I could afford.

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tilapia and yellow perch are the most popular options for aquaponics. 

Tilapia needs water 80 degrees or above to remain healthy and to breed. So a heater will be needed in cooler parts of the country or during winter.

 yellow perch wont need a heater.

 You could easily grow 5,000 plus fish per year in a system like the one in the video. That should feed 4-5 people with plenty left over.

 Considering veggies will be grown in the aquaponics system as well. we also plan to have an outside garden with plants that do not self pollinate. Also, will plant some apple, peach and cherry trees. Add to that the eggs we will get form our chickens and we should have plenty of food.

  

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