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17 Jan ’13 - 3:10 pm
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As I was reading Moro's great post, I started thinking about KVR's "Division of Labor" thread.

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i just want my young family to have good clean safe food to eat to keep their minds sharp and bodies healthy so they can tackle the challenges ahead. living on a small island in the middle of nowhere makes that very difficult as nothing is produced locally, literally everything is imported and at a huge price. i was just talking to my old ladies about this yesterday, if i wanted to provide just 2 avocados each day for my family of 6 (current) for one year here, it will cost me approximately 3k usd. i don't know about you guys but that just seems absurd to me.

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What island do you live on Khun? Should get yourself some fruit trees. Might take a few years to start producing fruit but it's a good start.

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wish i could man. i live directly on the beach in the gulf of thailand. salt in the air, every three months or so we get strong winds and then there's always the monsoon season. i have grown things here that we don't think have ever been grown here before, cantaloupes, connecticut field pumpkins, jalapenos etc and to top it all off, it's a small tropical island 5 star resort area so every square inch has a high price. nobody tries their hand at agriculture here because building and selling a couple of villas or bungalows is a lot faster and cleaner.

on my land up north i am planning 1 rai (2.5 rai are about equal to 1 acre) for an orchard. avocados are just beginning to get noticed here so the market is huge. i can get them up north from an ag station about an hour away from my property for 100 baht each, these are grafted and 4 years from producing. mangos, figs, olives and apple will make up the bulk of the 16 trees i've allotted space for in that 1rai. i'm ready to make the transition, i'm almost looking for an out but i've got a good thing going here as well.

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oh we also have multiple coconut, banana, mango and papaya trees producing in our yard here already. it's more of a situation where certain things can be grown so cheaply here that it doesn't make sense to do it yourself, better to allocate that land to something unique that you can get a premium for or at least still get nutritive value out of.

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Quote from khunmaimeesamong on February 14, 2013, 07:10 wish i could man. i live directly on the beach in the gulf of thailand. salt in the air, every three months or so we get strong winds and then there's always the monsoon season. i have grown things here that we don't think have ever been grown here before, cantaloupes, connecticut field pumpkins, jalapenos etc and to top it all off, it's a small tropical island 5 star resort area so every square inch has a high price. nobody tries their hand at agriculture here because building and selling a couple of villas or bungalows is a lot faster and cleaner. on my land up north i am planning 1 rai (2.5 rai are about equal to 1 acre) for an orchard. avocados are just beginning to get noticed here so the market is huge. i can get them up north from an ag station about an hour away from my property for 100 baht each, these are grafted and 4 years from producing. mangos, figs, olives and apple will make up the bulk of the 16 trees i've allotted space for in that 1rai. i'm ready to make the transition, i'm almost looking for an out but i've got a good thing going here as well.

ANYTHING is possible.

In the late 90s I worked in a hydroponic greenhouse outside Steamboat Springs Colorado. We were producing 80-100 cases of the best tomatoes you have EVER eaten, plus amazing herbs & cherry tomatoes that tasted like candy. We were doing this when it was 100 degrees outside and when there was 5 feet of snow on the ground. The amount of production was staggering and we sold to the high end chefs & boutique grocery stores. 80% of the work was done by just one man-Me.

If I wanted to generate income in your situation (as opposed to gettting self sufficient) i'd take a hard look at what the most expensive items on the island and try to produce it. We could have sold triple what we were if we could have produced it.

Food for thought

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14 Feb ’13 - 8:58 pm
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you're right, it's mostly an available space issue here. all the land here where i live is worth well over 3m usd per acre, it doesn't really lend itself to agriculture. i could dedicate a small part of my yard to aquaculture though, i've considered that here before, the only other productive use of space i could see here would be for a biodiesel processor. i use nearly 200l in my truck every week and thousands of liters in my yachts each week so i already have a market for it, just have to do it.

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