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7 round mags?

Democratic governors are making a big push for tighter gun laws as the debate over gun control heats up in Washington.

President Barack Obama admitted in a press conference Monday that it's possible some of his desired gun control reforms—limiting the size of ammunition magazines, expanding the comprehensive background check system for gun buyers, and banning some types of semi-automatic rifles—may not pass the divided Congress.

"Will all of them get through this Congress? I don't know," the president said, while calling on lawmakers to rise above politics. "If there is a step we can take that would save even one child from what happened in Newtown, we should take that step."

Blue state governors including those in Maryland, New York and Delaware, however, aren't waiting for Washington to make the first move.

Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York has hammered out a tentative agreement with lawmakers to ban ammunition magazines that carry more than seven bullets and to further expand the state's assault weapons ban, the AP reported Monday. (The governor's office said the deal had not yet been reached.) The governor was seeking a comprehensive bill that would also extend background checks so that all gun buyers must undergo one even if they are buying a weapon from a private seller.

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well I guess it begins

http://open.nysenate.....S2230-2013

some parts

Assault Weapons

Section 37 of the bill amends Penal Law ? 265.00(22) in order to

strengthen New York's assault weapon ban, expanding its reach and

making it easier to enforce. The proposed amendments replace the

existing ban consisting of and a "two-feature" test adopted from the

now-expired federal assault weapons ban with a clearer "one-feature"

test. The "two-feature" test bans any gun that is semi-automatic, has

a detachable magazine (in the case of pistols and rifles), and

possesses two features that are commonly associated with military

weapons. The "one-feature" test would ban semi-automatic guns with

detachable magazines that possess one feature commonly associated

with military weapons. This section also adds to the list of

"features" that characterize a banned weapon.

Within one year of the effective date, all weapons defined as assault

weapons under the new "one-feature" test, as well as weapons

grandfathered in under the original assault weapons ban, must be

registered. Current owners of these banned weapons may transfer the

weapons only to a firearms dealer or transfer to an out of state

buyer. All registered owners will be subject to a review of

disqualifiers by the State Police.

Ammunition

Section 38 of the bill amends Penal Law ? 265.00(23) to ban all large

capacity magazines that have the capacity to hold more than ten

rounds of ammunition including those that were grandfathered in under

the original assault weapons ban and creates a new ban on magazines

that hold more than seven rounds of ammunition. Magazines that can

hold more than seven rounds but not more than ten rounds and are

currently possessed will be grandfathered in, but may only contain

seven rounds of ammunition. Exceptions are made for large capacity

magazines that are curios or relics.

Section 39 also adds a new section to Penal Law ? 265.00 to define

seller of ammunition.

Section 50 of the bill enhances control over sales of ammunition by

adding a new Penal Law ? 400.03 requiring (1) that sellers of

ammunition register with the superintendent of the State police (2)

that prior to a sale of ammunition, a seller must run the buyer

through a State-created review of disqualifiers to ensure that the

buyer is not prohibited by law from possessing ammunition, and (3)

that ammunition sales are electronically accessible to the State. In

addition, to prevent from purchasing ammunition, the bill requires

that any ammunition sold commercially must be conducted by a seller

that can perform a background check.

While the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms,

the Supreme Court has said that that right is "not unlimited."

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 595, 626 (2008). In the

Heller case, the Supreme Court explained, "nothing in our opinion

should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the

possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws

forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as

schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and

qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." 554 U.S. at 626-27.

The Court also recognized there is a "historical tradition of

prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual' weapons." Id.

This piece of legislation heeds the guidance of the Supreme Court by

refining and improving the assault weapon ban and increasing the

safety of New Yorkers while observing the protections of the Second

Amendment.

Some weapons are so dangerous and some ammunition devices so lethal

that we simply cannot afford to continue selling them in our state.

Assault weapons that have military-style features unnecessary for

hunting and sporting purposes are this kind of weapon. The test

adopted in this legislation is intended to bring a simplicity of

definition focusing on the lethality of the weapon, amplified by the

particular features. Given the difficulty of maintaining a list of

guns that keeps pace with changes in weapon design, the one-feature

test is a more comprehensive means for addressing these dangerous

weapons.

Ammunition

The state's previous ban against high capacity magazines faltered

because it was impossible to tell the difference between magazines

manufactured before or after the effective date of the ban. This bill

prohibits possession of all magazines with the capacity to contain

more than ten rounds, regardless of the date of manufacture. Going

forward, individuals will only be able to obtain magazines that can

contain up to seven rounds. Those who currently possess magazines

that can contain more than seven rounds will only be permitted to

maintain up to seven rounds in such magazines.

The new law also provides a mechanism to identify individual who

purchase unusually high volumes of ammunition, either in person or

over the Internet. Sellers must run the buyer's name through a State

database modeled after the federal "NICS" database to ensure the

buyer is not prohibited by law from possessing ammunition. Ammunition

sellers are also required to electronically file with the State

records of each ammunition sale, including amount sold.

In order to prevent circumvention of these new controls, this bill

requires that any seller--whether located in New York or out of

state-ship the ammunition to a dealer within New York for in-person

pick-up. The dealer is required to maintain records of the ammunition

sale and to perform a State review of disqualifiers. Direct shipment

of ammunition without a face-to-face transaction prevents a seller

from being able to adequately confirm the identity of a buyer through

the in-person inspection of a valid photo ID. Without adequate

confirmation of a buyer's identity, the benefits of background checks

and record keeping are completely circumvented. A law requiring all

ammunition sales to culminate in a face-to-face transfer, thereby

allowing for effective confirmation of purchaser identity and

corresponding background check, is consistent with this scheme.

http://news.yahoo.co.....53716.html

I just talked to my uncle who forwarded me this, My uncle is a vietnam Vet, retired from the New York State Penal System, was a guard at Attica during the riots, big proponent of the second ammendment, he's a little hot right now

I spoke to Senator Nozzolio yesterday for half-hour.

Here are the quick notes of that:

He thinks they only have about 24 or so solid votes to stop the bill.

If the bill doesn't pass this time, Cuomo will try to ram it through with the budget. At that point the only thing the repubs can do is fillibuster and/or shut down the govt.....that will not happen.

Biggest things Cuomo is looking for is magazine cap at 7 rounds, no grandfather clause, ban "assaullt weapons" yet no mention of confiscation, and renewable permits.

Senator said talks are fluid, and change daily. He did say Skelos blocked votes on Tuesday and Thursday last week.

I explained to Senator that a magazine ban of 7 rounds would be a defacto gun ban.

He reiterated we must keep calling Albany.

NRA is now calling and talking with NY senators. A bit late, but better late than never. They had a conference call on Saturday. but he was at his swearing in ceremony at that time slot. He did have some good staff members in on that call.

Repub senate isn't even meeting to discuss the gun bills.

We need to emphasize calls need to keep going to Albany.

Skelos answering machine was full today.

Valesky told one of our members he likes working with SCOPE and has respect for us. He could be won over......

I also spoke to Assembly minority leader Kolb for a while Saturday.

Spoke to two other assemblymen, but didn't waste much time as the fight is in the Senate.

Joe Biden: White House eying 19 executive actions on guns

The White House has identified 19 executive actions for President Barack Obama to move unilaterally on gun control, Vice President Joe Biden told a group of House Democrats on Monday, the administration’s first definitive statements about its response to last month’s mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Later this week, Obama will formally announce his proposals to reduce gun violence, which are expected to include renewal of the assault weapons ban, universal background checks and prohibition of high-capacity magazine clips. But Biden, who has been leading Obama’s task force on the response, spent two hours briefing a small group of sympathetic House Democrats on the road ahead in the latest White House outreach to invested groups.

http://www.politico......z2I3WzoO7Y

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15 Jan ’13 - 12:19 pm
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Coming soon to a state near you...

(or one that I live in)

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probably

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Someone made a good point on another forum today, first is was ten rounds. Now it's seven. Next it will be 5, then three and then one,

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Yup, they have your attention on grabbing the guns, but then they turn around and slip ammo restrictions in the back door.

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woah

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