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15 Feb ’12
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the retreat when threatened still blows my mind
8 Mar ’12
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articulation is key. know what the laws are then know what your gonna do and say before it happens.
And the monkey presses the button.
15 Feb ’12
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articulation is key. know what the laws are then know what your gonna do and say before it happens.
excellent point moro
15 Feb ’12
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I dont care what the law is, if I have an opening to bail, Im out. Im surprised more people dont think like this. Which is where I think the real dangers of gun laws lay. I get defending yourself but there are many people who take this too far and use it as an excuse to engage.
Retreat when threatened as a law is ridiculous. Its just a huge "gray" area. But as a practice its smart in many situations. If you can get away, get away and dont look back. If you cant, then let 'em fly.
8 Mar ’12
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most laws that deal with violence, are written by those who have little real world knowledge of it or have no experience managing it. I believe the same applies for a lot of gun control legislation. The fact that they wrote a law and believe that it is sufficient to curb violence tends to prove my point.
i believe that in many cases stand your ground laws are passed not because your government loves you but because it was a politically savy move for the party that got it passed. also any states self defense law that lacks a civil immunity provision is not worth much.
And the monkey presses the button.
18 Mar ’12
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In the past I have been asked to be the LE rep for some CC classes and asked about a million times by general public wanting to know what ifs about using deadly force in their homes or on the street. There is no perfect answer for this question. My rule of thumb from a civilian stand point is If you are willing to spend the next twenty five years in prison, even if you did the right thing in regards to exercising the use of deadly force, then you are in the green.
As an example, I would rather defend myself and spend the next twenty five years in prison, than be stabbed to death by an intruder in my own living room. Clear cut right?
If I get mugged by an armed subject in the parking lot at night I would rather spend the next twenty five years in prison than bleed to death in the middle of a parking lot. No question about it.
How about two guys are having a fist fight outside of a bar and one pulls out a knife and is going to stab the other one. I am not going to spend the next twenty five years in prison to protect a drunken guy I dont know anything about outside a bar.
Its not a perfect tool to answer every what if scenario but the twenty five years in prison theory I think cuts through a lot of the haze. Regardless of the laws in each state there are too many variables involved in criminal and civil prosecution to use any other standard in my opinion. I would not want to get involved with a shooting in a stand your ground state that happens to have an anti gun DA with a political agenda. I have seen some crazy stuff happen with politically motivated DAs jury trials.
15 Feb ’12
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I dont care what the law is, if I have an opening to bail, Im out. Im surprised more people dont think like this. Which is where I think the real dangers of gun laws lay. I get defending yourself but there are many people who take this too far and use it as an excuse to engage.
Retreat when threatened as a law is ridiculous. Its just a huge "gray" area. But as a practice its smart in many situations. If you can get away, get away and dont look back. If you cant, then let 'em fly.
totally agree, If I'm in a position to evade and escape, I'm hauling tail
15 Feb ’12
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In the past I have been asked to be the LE rep for some CC classes and asked about a million times by general public wanting to know what ifs about using deadly force in their homes or on the street. There is no perfect answer for this question. My rule of thumb from a civilian stand point is If you are willing to spend the next twenty five years in prison, even if you did the right thing in regards to exercising the use of deadly force, then you are in the green.
As an example, I would rather defend myself and spend the next twenty five years in prison, than be stabbed to death by an intruder in my own living room. Clear cut right?
If I get mugged by an armed subject in the parking lot at night I would rather spend the next twenty five years in prison than bleed to death in the middle of a parking lot. No question about it.
How about two guys are having a fist fight outside of a bar and one pulls out a knife and is going to stab the other one. I am not going to spend the next twenty five years in prison to protect a drunken guy I dont know anything about outside a bar.
Its not a perfect tool to answer every what if scenario but the twenty five years in prison theory I think cuts through a lot of the haze. Regardless of the laws in each state there are too many variables involved in criminal and civil prosecution to use any other standard in my opinion. I would not want to get involved with a shooting in a stand your ground state that happens to have an anti gun DA with a political agenda. I have seen some crazy stuff happen with politically motivated DAs jury trials.
rinkus, do you remember that case several years back where that guy shot his fathers girlfriend and was acquitted? If my memory serves me right, she was trying to enter the home, she was asked to vacate the property she refused, he shot her with a shotgun and she died. You remember that?
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