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22 Feb ’12
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I'm municipal Law Enforcement here in Northern New Jersey. We have mandatory range training 2x a year. In my opinion it isn't nearly enough.
How often do you guys have to train? Not on your own but mandatory with your department?
19 Feb ’12
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Deputy Sheriff in Alabama. Mandatory firearms training for APOST once a year. My department actually does at least 2-3 range days a year, Spring Qualification course with pistols for APOST and usually some sort of combat course, and Fall Qualification for shotguns, and then a night fire course with pistols. We also do a short, usually half day, re-qualification with our AR's sometime in between Spring and Fall Qualification. There is talk of the department starting to offer more advanced classes in PPCT and SSGT defensive tactics soon. We have our own training facility and academy, which is open to us to use for firearms training anytime they aren't conducting a class on the range.
22 Feb ’12
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Man, I'm jealous. We are allowed to use a local range only the 2x a year that we qualify. Other than that we are on our own. The closest one is about 30-35 mins away. I'm in the process of joining now but its a pain in the ass because they only allow sign ups the first Sunday of each month. Due to work I'm not able to sign up till May.
Our qualifications usually look something like this.
Morning we train in pursuit driving and use of force (Aka watch videos). Then we go to lunch. After lunch we do day qual for pistol and shotgun. Then we go to dinner. After that we do night qual for pistol and shotgun.
Day qual consists of shooting the duty gun for 50 rds and the off duty gun for 50 rounds. For the shotguns we do 10 rounds of 00 buck and 10 rounds of slugs.
Night qual is 40 rds with the duty gun and another 20 rds with the shotgun. We don't have to shoot the off duty weapon at night.
That's pretty much it. We don't do anything physical really. 2 years ago they wanted to start getting into some defensive tactic stuff. A lieutenant got a little crazy during a cuffing exercise and ended up hurting an officer. So that was the end of that. I have to say its really weird when it comes to training. The dept is only willing to pay for a minimal amount, and guys refuse to do anything on their own.
I'm happy that I'm starting to get into shooting more. Practicing it as a hobby will definitely help me out with work. Also I've trained BJJ for years so I'm comfortable with hands-on stuff. I'm not getting killed easily!
15 Feb ’12
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Thats crazy to not have a requirement for more training. Im not LEO, far from it, but I shoot more than that in a year, lol.
What is the reasoning behind only needing 2-3 times per year?
22 Feb ’12
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They don't give us a reason really, I think that 2x a year is the minimum amount required by the state. I would say that the reason we don't have to train more is time and money. They have to take officers off the road to train at the range and pay them. Sadly no one wants to do that anymore.
19 Feb ’12
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They don't give us a reason really, I think that 2x a year is the minimum amount required by the state. I would say that the reason we don't have to train more is time and money. They have to take officers off the road to train at the range and pay them. Sadly no one wants to do that anymore.
I think that hits the nail on the head for us too. When we go to an official range day, we go "in lieu of shift". So that takes a beat car away and we don't have the manpower or the money to pay OT for someone to work in their place.
18 Mar ’12
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My sheriffs department shoots once a year to fill the Academy mandate for qualifications. It consists of two courses of 50 rounds ranging from 3 to 25 yards. As a firearm instructor it is a nightmare filing people in and out like cattle. I try to work with problem shooters, but it seems pointless when you know most wont do anything thing to follow up with it.
It takes about a week and a half to get everyone done. Patrol is easiest, (but usually when I get a loaded weapon accidently pointed at me) the civil division makes me cringe, but a few members of the the geriatric division (AKA court security) scares the hell out of me. The administration just doesnt recognize the importance of firearms training.
Outside of work we have a loose gaggle of more advanced shooters who all train together off duty. It consists of deputies from two counties, several municipal agencies, the warden service and a few troopers thrown in for good measure. We try to base the training on competition to add stress for a little authenticity.
With a recent surge in officer involved shootings state wide, not to mention a surge in home owners using firearms to defend their homes I am thinking the brass may be reconsidering their thinking in the not too distant future.
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