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13 Jun ’15 - 10:34 am
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Wonder why it costs so much to replace

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) — A 30-year-old computer that has run day and night for decades is what controls the heat and air conditioning at 19 Grand Rapids Public Schools.

The Commodore Amiga was new to GRPS in the early 1980s and it has been working tirelessly ever since. GRPS Maintenance Supervisor Tim Hopkins said that the computer was purchased with money from an energy bond in the 1980s. It replaced a computer that was “about the size of a refrigerator.”

The computer is responsible for turning the heat and the air conditioners on and off for 19 school buildings.

“The system controls the start/stop of boilers, the start/stop of fans, pumps, [it] monitors space temperatures, and so on,” Hopkins explained.

A Kentwood High School student programmed it when it was installed in the 1980s. Whenever the district has a problem with it, they go back to the original programmer who still lives in the area.

Parts for the computer are difficult to find, Hopkins said. It is on its second mouse and third monitor.

“It’s a very unique product. It operates on a 1200-bit modem,” said Hopkins. “How it runs, the software that it’s running, is unique to Commodore.”

Hopkins said the system runs on a radio frequency that sends a signal to school buildings, which reply within a matter of seconds with the status of each building. The only problem is that the computer operates on the same frequency as some of the walkie-talkies used by the maintenance department.

“Because they share the same frequency as our maintenance communications radios and operations maintenance radios — it depends on what we’re doing — yes, they do interfere,” Hopkins said.

If that happens, “we have to clear the radio and get everyone off of it for up to 15 minutes.”

If the computer stopped working tomorrow, a staff person would have to turn each building’s climate control systems on and off by hand.

A new, more current system would cost between $1.5 and 2 million. If voters pass a $175 million bond proposal in November, the computer is on the list of things to be replaced.

http://woodtv.com/2015/06/11/1980s-computer-controls-grps-heat-and-ac/

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If only other computers were so reliable.

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I mean, if it works... 

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$1.5-$2 million? Must be a halliburton contract 

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$1.5-$2 million? Must be a halliburton contract 

well i guess they have to update a whole lot of components in the system for it to be compatible with a new computer.

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A new, more current system would cost between $1.5 and 2 million. If voters pass a $175 million bond proposal in November, the computer is on the list of things to be replaced.

By "current system" they likely mean updated HVAC and modern integrated control systems. Its the large scale HVAC that is likely the 1.5 - 2 million. The computer won't so much be replaced (with another pc type computer) as it will be abandoned in favor of another methodology.

 

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$1.5-$2 million? Must be a halliburton contract 

well i guess they have to update a whole lot of components in the system for it to be compatible with a new computer.

 The Commodore Amiga was a custom computer with not just a unique operating system, but a completely custom motherboard and chipset. Aside from "emulating" the AmigaOS, there is simply no feasible compatibility bridge between the Amiga and other computers.

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I was reading somewhere they could emulate it on a raspberry pi if they still wanted to keep the Amiga

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There are bound to be several ways to keep the custom control program and operating system but from the sound of it there may be a need to perpetuate certain hardware such as the radio frequency which has drawbacks. While I love the story, its both impractical and irresponsible to not phase it out in favor of something that will last the next 30 years to come. They've been tied not only to a highly proprietary system, but to a single (person) maintainer in the form of the kid who originally designed and programmed the whole setup. If anything happens to that guy, they could find themselves in a very urgent need of options.

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