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16 Jul ’16 - 6:55 pm
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So I've seen some talk of installing mini-splits but I am thinking of adding a full size split system to a house that we just bought. Right now it has window units and upgrading to central would definitely help get more light in (less things blocking the windows).

I should also add that quotes for this system from scratch are around $6k, not including the electrical work.

Has anyone does this? I feel that the process seems fairly straightforward but wanted to pitch my idea and see if anyone saw any concerns. 

Electrical:Run outside line (50A breaker), run Inside line (15A breaker), run 18g wire signal for both to central thermostat

Solder joints with system pressurized with Nitrogen if possible - Avoids corrosion inside the system - Don't know if this is necessary

System: 1.5ton pre-charged with 410A - $1400 shipped, Pour a concrete slab for the condenser - 2bags of quickcrete and 1 2x4

Ducting: Rigid mainline (trying to find some pre-insulated stuff) and flexible feeds.

I'll have to put the system in the attic due to small square footage but that won't be too bad. Also, to avoid furnace wiring and gas lines I'm looking into a heat pump.

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We added central air when we did our expansion at our business, put filters in the ceiling vents for the return so we didn't have to get up in the attic to do maintenance with them, will try and get some pics in the morning.

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Awesome. That was exactly what I was thinking. I figured that it's cheaper for me to try, get everything right except for the charge, and call in a tech for the final 5%.

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we set the outside unit i the corner of the building

ran the condensation line out the wall

we put two filter vents in, one on each side of building

behind this section of siding we framed out an opening and just screwed down a piece of plywood, if we ever need to remove it we can just strip the siding and pull off the panel

newsettler has to run some more camera cables, I'll have him grab some pics in the attic

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Thanks KVR! That's almost exactly what I was planning. The only difference is that I will only have one return. I would love to have two but for an 860sf house (eventually to be 1100) I think that one should do it. Also, it's cheaper. 

I found a really good deal on a 1.5 ton unit but it doesn't allow horizontal mounting. The manual J that I did suggested around 20-22,000 BTUs (existing size and expanded size) and the unit does 18,000. I know it seems small but I've read a lot about undersizing instead of oversizing. The common theme is that it's better for the systems to run constantly than to start and stop all of the time.

To reduce the required load I will insulate the ductwork with hard foam and add another few inches of fiberglass in the attic. 

What did you do for ductwork? I'm planning on getting rectangular rigid ducting for the trunk line, insulating it to at least an R-8, and running 8" lines to each bedroom, dual 8" lines to the living room, and dual 8" lines to the kitchen/dining room.

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rectangular rigid and wrapped them with insulation

I'll 

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Awesome! Found one that'll take side mount for only $1087. Got the ducting more or less designed and just need to get it ordered and get the official quote. I'm still not 100% on undersizing (1.5 ton vs 2 ton). The engineer in me wants to go 2 ton with variable speed to be safe.

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And the quote came in today..... $9500. That's just an idea of how crazy things are in the city right now. The equipment alone on his quote was only $2200 so I'm not sure where these fantasy numbers are coming from. I have tons of respect for the guys that do it but damn.

So I'll finish out the pricing and list out the budget tomorrow.

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