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Good defense round for my Glock .45?
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Saiga12
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21 Feb ’12 - 3:31 pm
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I agree with Serge. I pick up the PDX, less in a box and higher price if that is all that's available. DEVGRU friend of mine sold me on the bonded hollow point after seeing the slug he pulled from ballistic gel test. I used Hornady's before and they always had jacket separation issues on every slug I recovered from my clay berm.

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21 Feb ’12 - 5:38 pm
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thanks for the heads up saiga12

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Ok. This isnt the OG and I dont have to worry about getting ripped by a bunch of know-nothings.

The key to self defense ammo is 'immediate incapacitation'. No single round, save a head shot, can ever guarentee that out of a pistol, even out of a .44 Mag. To insure a spinal column strike from the front of a human male, you need a rifle cartridge, or a high power carbine round. So.....

The honest answer is simple ball ammo. All the rest is high-priced bullshit marketing. The keys to stopping a human target are simple and well known - the size of the permanent cavity created by the wound, the size of the expanded temporary cavity created, fragmentation, and overall penetration.

Since you cant make a round that fragments in pistol size that will create a permanent cavity, frangibles such as MagSafes and Glazers are out.

Only 60% of all hollow points actually expanded as advertised; add in clothing and your success rate of a hollow petalling properly decreases. Most hollow points used in close range act like ball ammo.

To read more, read the FBI study:

http://www.firearmst.....i-hwfe.pdf

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22 Feb ’12 - 7:43 am
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I'm really surprised no one has posted this yet, you guys are slacking

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22 Feb ’12 - 7:44 pm
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^Again, bs marketing. But obviously it is a live ammo....a low load live ammo at that. I havent done enough ballistics research on it ( why would I.... ), but I doubt most of that stuff would stop a doped up human.

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22 Feb ’12 - 7:44 pm
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And yes, I know you were being facitious.

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24 Feb ’12 - 9:26 pm
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Quote from Saiga12 on February 21, 2012, 15:31

I agree with Serge. I pick up the PDX, less in a box and higher price if that is all that's available. DEVGRU friend of mine sold me on the bonded hollow point after seeing the slug he pulled from ballistic gel test. I used Hornady's before and they always had jacket separation issues on every slug I recovered from my clay berm.

Thanks for this. Never really looked into bonded vs. non-bonded.

Decided to give these a try:

http://www.cheaperth.....550-1.html

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I have Gold Dots. There are some of the Critical Defense rounds laying around as well.

Honestly I cant imagine there being much of a difference when it comes to the .45 though.

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