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16 Jul ’12 - 8:56 am
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So last week I finally got started back on the barn, I laid out the barbed wire

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it has been so hot and dry I was dumping water on the soil to give me a moist mix. I proceeded to fill up the bags

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and started stacking

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I compacted them, the soil wasn't quite moist enough, but it went easier than the first day

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I did seem to develop a blow out, not quite sure what caused that, I'm going to see how it sets up, I might replace the bag

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I picked up my wife at the airport yesterday so my partner in crime is back. It's good to have her home

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20 Jul ’12 - 10:17 am
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So yesterday my wife and I got back to work on the barn. We had spent monday weeding our jungle of the garden and my wife got extremely sunburned so I gave her a few days to heal before shoveling dirt.

I started laying out the wire while she was filling the bags

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I had laid about 6 bags when we started noticing some of the bags were ripping

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I went through about 10 bags and the same thing happened. Not sure what caused it. The bags are suppose to have a 1600 hour uv protection and we have been covering the bags for the most part. I figured it was a bad run of bags so I grabbed another stack of bags and started using them. If it continued I was scrapping this project and would figure something else out, but the bags held. As I was looking at the stack of bags a light bulb went off.

The bags have ties weaved into them to tie off the sandbags and we had been removing them before we stacked the bags

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I decided to leave them on because they would be great to tie the chicken wire to the bags for stucco

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We started filling and stacking the new bags, but I was concerned about the first 6 I had laid

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We finished up the course

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and compacted it

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sure enough we had 2 blow outs

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So I removed the ruined bags

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popped in some new ones

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and compacted them

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We were starting to develop some corner droop which is happens on end courses because when you compact they have nothing against them to compact against. The book says to hard ass the ends which means to compact them when loading the bags, but we have still developed the droop. As it becomes more noticeable I will put in half filled bags to level it up

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So we knocked out the other side

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Still have quite a bit of soil, I think we might need just another 9 yards

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my wife measured the height and we were at 20 inches. She asked how many more courses? I said probably 8 which will bring us up to 5 feet, We will see how stable that is and decide if we want to go more. We still need to pour a bond beam on top of that which will bring us up another 6 inches and then when we transfer to wood that will bring us up another 8 so we should end up with about a 6 foot height. It will be a low building but my goal is to match the look of the building to the gazebo which is similar in height.

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We will attack course number 5 on sunday. If we continue having bag failure, I think I will just pour the bond beam and go up with wood framing from there, it's not what I want, but we will see, peace

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20 Jul ’12 - 5:30 pm
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Hey KVR, I've never worked with bags before, but don't you need to alternate those bond lines?

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yeah, the goal is to have a staggered bond, same as block work but each bag is different as far as how it compresses and expands based off the moisture content, how much bag is full etc. I start out with a staggered bond but it always seem likes I still end up with verticals aligned. i was concerned about it but after looking at the pictures of the examples in the book I see they seem to have the same outcome. I think I'm going to start incorporating more half bags to stay on the safe side. I am amazed how after compacting and letting the bags sit for a couple days how solid the whole structure is. Will be interested to see how it continues as the walls go up.

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27 Jul ’12 - 4:20 pm
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I think I'm going to build something like this tomorrow to help break up the soil and screed out the rocks

http://www.organicga.....t-screener

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So we started on the barn again the other day and started laying out the barbed wire

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we started setting some bags and decided the soil was to dry

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So I asked my wife to water down the soil pile and she got a little crazy with it

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so that shut down that days productivity

the next morning the soil had drained and was still pretty damp but was workable

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so we started filling and stacking

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we went around and started compacting

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and my compactor broke

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are you kidding me, does anyone make quality products anymore?

It worked out well with soaking the soil overnight, so we hosed down the pile and caled it good

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the next morning I started on the other side

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my wife went and picked up another compactor, let's see how long this one lasts

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I am starting to step the entry ways back for stability on the corners

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I walked by the other side and looked down and saw another blow out, not sure if I snagged the corner with the pick ax or what

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so I started removing bags

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working around the wire was a pain

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but I was able to get a new bag set, compacted it and replaced the other bags

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so I laid out the wire

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and continued with the wall

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so yesterday I started on the other side

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I wanted to build a screen for the soil because picking out the rocks and stuff was a pain and also to help break up the soil, I was walking out the back door of the restaurant and looked under the dish machine and noticed a old dish rack we had but never used, it would be perfect

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it worked awesome

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it took a little longer due to the extra step, but it was much easier loading the bags and stacking them,

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six courses up, halfway there to my original goal of 12, I might go to 14 though

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So we started filling the bags the other day

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and started on the 7th course

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I laid out the barbed wire and started stacking bags

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and grabbed my level and started leveling the bags as I was compacting

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we started running into bag failure again as we were loading up the bags, so we sorted through them and started stacking the other side

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I got the course all stacked

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and started compacting and was working on the second bag and this happened again

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that's it, I'm done, moving on to plan B. Bags are failing, going through compactors and we are almost out of soil. I would have to order another 9 yards (minimum order) when I would only need about less than half than that and I don't want to risk further bag failure.

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I need to get some stucco on these bags to get them protected, from what I have read once the bags are in place and the soil has been compacted the bags are no longer needed, they are just a form to set the soil in place and the stucco ties it all together, I'm not risking it

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Sorry you're having such a hard time bro. Sucks 'cause I'm about to help my sister start her house, and I'm pretty sure this is the method they settled on. Other than bag failure and compactor breakage, any other problems you have encountered on this project we should look out for?

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