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From my experience, starting with less and building up your own set of tooling has the following trade offs:

Cost: wash (though you buy less tools, you spend more money on the ones that you want and you don't get the price break)

Space: fewer tools, less space

Quality: generally higher

I may have missed this and my apologies if so but are you wanting a mille/lathe combo for space saving or the ability to do different machining operations? Of course it will depend what you plan to do but in my 3-4 years machining I never had need for use of the 4th axis on our mill.

With that said, the Smithy there seems like it comes with everything you need and like Shopsmith, though it may not be the best at any one of its skills, it is able to perform all duties.

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space savings and multi useage, I wasn't even planning on getting a mill when I started the machining course, I was taking it just for the lathe portion, I now want a mill 🙁

I had been thinking of getting this and a separate lathe

https://maine.craigslist.org/tls/5475416627.html

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Definitely a much larger bed but a much larger footprint so I see your concern. Thinking it'll come down to what the biggest thing you can think to machine will be! The largest piece I ever did was a ramped gear that was 20" in diameter and made of 1" plate steel. PITA.

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I could make the space, I would just need to remove about 4 feet of the workbench, that enco would blow the smithy away. It would be a lot easier to set up for a dro as well.

Came across this great site from a guy who uses the same model

http://rick.sparber......g/ma.htm#4

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Damn, that seems pretty invaluable to have so much information matching your model. If you can hold off on the lathe I'd push for the mill and cost out a lathe separately. Does the mill come with a vice and parallels? Or any tools for that matter?

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it does, he said he had vice, clamping set, collets, end mills, and a few other things, been doing some research tonight and here is the newer model

http://www.use-enco......TPG=INLMK3

which is the same as the grizzly

http://grizzly.com/p.....able/G0705

which is the same as the harbor freight

http://www.harborfre.....33686.html

the encos and grizzly have a 2 hp motor while the HF has a 1.5 hp though

so a new enco and grizzly would be about 400 dollars more than what he is asking and a HF could be had for the same price with the 20 percent discount coupon, but not really interested in the HF

He said he bought this in a lot purchase and is just trying to dump it, so I am going to do some price negotiation and see what he says, if he is the firm on the price I might as well just get a new one I'm thinking.

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Good call, lemme know how it goes! Even if you did go with the 1.5hp there are always workaround, just can't handle the same chip load so you make more passes at a smaller step height, or just feed slower.

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well he had to cancel so we decided to go check out the 3 in 1 here in maine

http://maine.craigsl.....34057.html

it has a couple issues, it really needed to be broken down, cleaned, oiled and greased though. It hadn't been used in 3 years and was in pretty rough shape.

So I asked him how much he would take.

1200

I can't do that.

Well how much can you do?

I'd be into for 800.

I can't go that low, I paid 2000 for it.

I said yeah but that was 16 years a go and I can buy a new one for 1600, I can't justify spending 1200 for a machine that needs so much work.

He didn't believe me that they were 1600 so I pulled out my phone and showed him.

I could take 1100 he said.

I still can't do that, 800 would be the most I would be willing to spend.

I have a round milling vice that I can throw in.

Still, I can't do that.

So we shook hands and left.

Onto the next one, hopefully the one with all the tooling doesn't sell before I have a chance to get there.

Seeing the 3 in 1 in person though did cement my thoughts of getting one versus separate machines at this point, it really is the perfect size.

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