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1 Feb ’14 - 1:23 am
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damn. glad your moms test came back clean. cancer is a motherfucker.

as far as the college cost is concerned, well, no offense, but your mom fucked up big time. correct me if i'm wrong, but it looks like they pretty much financed the entire 4 years. both schools allow you to transfer in after your sophomore year which saves a bundle if you do the CC thing first. either one of those kids could have grinded a part time job to help cut down the costs. it sounds like they wanted to live the champagne life on a beer budget. sorry if it sounds crass.

now that couple in the article, somethings off. not one of their 9 kids is willing to help out? combined they get less than 1300 bucks? after working in finance for 15+ years I've never seen combined SSI that low and i've helped people out in the poorest parts of Appalachia. in any case, somebody should have told them to stop after kid #2 or #3 and bank the rest. i'm not saying they shouldn't be helped but that article was extremely light on facts and extremely heavy on emotion.

i don't know man. i never want to see people down and out, ever. but just like Dirty Harry said in Magnum Force "A man's got to know his limitations."

i think a lot of people don't want to think about bad things happening in the future. lets face it, thinking about that shit is depressing and no fun. seems people would rather plan for the best case scenario while privately worrying about the worst instead of sacrificing a little bit today and planning for the worst so that you've got nothing to worry about in the future.

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and i can tell this kinda stuff stresses you out. it stresses me out as well.

but you're going in the right direction. you're going in the exact opposite direction your mom is going. you're going in the opposite direction of probably 98% of the population and thats a good thing.

as long you keep it up and don't decide to sell us all out and move into a condo with a valet and a strict rule against potted plants on your patio. then you'll definitely have cause for worry.

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as far as the college cost is concerned, well, no offense, but your mom fucked up big time. correct me if i'm wrong, but it looks like they pretty much financed the entire 4 years. both schools allow you to transfer in after your sophomore year which saves a bundle if you do the CC thing first. either one of those kids could have grinded a part time job to help cut down the costs. it sounds like they wanted to live the champagne life on a beer budget. sorry if it sounds crass.

I think a lot of kids feel entitled to having their college education paid for, and I think a lot of parents feel obligated to pay for that education. Not saying it's right or wrong, but I think that's the mentality.

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and i can tell this kinda stuff stresses you out. it stresses me out as well.

but you're going in the right direction. you're going in the exact opposite direction your mom is going. you're going in the opposite direction of probably 98% of the population and thats a good thing.

as long you keep it up and don't decide to sell us all out and move into a condo with a valet and a strict rule against potted plants on your patio. then you'll definitely have cause for worry.

I'm, allergic to home owners associations

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as far as the college cost is concerned, well, no offense, but your mom fucked up big time. correct me if i'm wrong, but it looks like they pretty much financed the entire 4 years. both schools allow you to transfer in after your sophomore year which saves a bundle if you do the CC thing first. either one of those kids could have grinded a part time job to help cut down the costs. it sounds like they wanted to live the champagne life on a beer budget. sorry if it sounds crass.

I think a lot of kids feel entitled to having their college education paid for, and I think a lot of parents feel obligated to pay for that education. Not saying it's right or wrong, but I think that's the mentality.

Unfortunately the feeling of entitlement is pretty prevalent across the board. Having had employees for some time I got pretty sick of it.

I'm going to keep working hard, hope for the best, be aware of the worst but not dwell on it.

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great way of looking at it spotted

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came across this article that ties into this well

Millions of Gen Xers Will Be Homeless Before You Know It

 

Forget terrorism, Ebola or even climate change — the most dangerous threat to this country is an epic retirement crisis.

We will soon see tens of millions of Americans reduced to poverty, bringing an end to the United States as an economic superpower.

Unlike attacks and pandemics, this crisis is an absolute certainty, one with a clear, near start date. But the media is hardly mentioning the imminent retirement crisis. So politicians haven’t even begun to think about it, much less take it seriously.

Actually, “retirement crisis” is a misnomer. The problem isn’t that people won’t be able to retire or will be living on a shoestring, though those things are true. We’re staring down the barrel of an epic old age crisis. For the average American, to be elderly will mean not mere belt-tightening, but real, grinding poverty: homelessness and hunger.

Throughout the last few decades, vulnerable people living from payday to payday have gotten battered by the shredding of the government safety net, a lack of accumulated savings caused by the boom-and-bust cycle of capitalism, and a lackluster real estate market.

Now members of the poor and lower middle class in their 50s and 60s are heading into a retirement crisis created by a perfect superstorm.

Traditional defined-benefit pension plans have been replaced by stingy 401(k)s and similar programs which employers no longer pay into, cap how much you can contribute(assuming you can afford it), take a beating during downturns in the stock market, andallow workers to tap when they’re laid off or run into financial trouble. After years of sketchy raids and outright theft, workers with old-fashioned corporate and government pensions can’t be sure their money will be there when they need it. The first Generation Xers — many of whom never had the opportunity to accumulate wealth due to several long recessions that impacted them particularly hard — will reach the traditional retirement age of 65 in the year 2024.

The facts are brutal:

No savings: The average Gen Xer only has a net worth of about $40,000 — enough to live on for a year. Maybe. In Akron. 36% of Americans don’t have a dime saved for retirement.

Later Social Security: Thanks to that lovable wacky Ronald Reagan, the Social Security retirement age was quietly raised to 67 for Gen Xers born after 1960. When you finally get Social Security, it doesn’t pay enough. The U.S. ranks third to last in social security benefits among developed nations.

Age discrimination: The continuing post-2008 recession hit those in their 50s especially hard; employers want cheaper, younger workers. 25% of Americans over age 55 now have no savings whatsoever.

About those pension plans: When journalists mention the retirement crisis, they focus on problems with the defined-benefit system. But that’s irrelevant to most Americans. 90% of private-sector workers don’t have one. Most government workers do — but 85% of Americans work in the private sector.

401ks suck (if you have one). Three out of four workers have no pension plan. What they might have is a 401k. The average Gen Xer who has a 401k — 69% don’t — has a$63,000 balance.

Financial experts say 92% of U.S. workers fall significantly short of what they’ll need to live decently after retirement. “In the decades to come,” Edward Siedle writes for Forbes, “we will witness millions of elderly Americans, the Baby Boomers and others, slipping into poverty. Too frail to work, too poor to retire will become the ‘new normal’ for many elderly Americans.”

This is about you — not some theoretical lazy Other.

“At some point,” Siedle says, “lack of savings, lack of employment possibilities and failing health will catch up with the overwhelming majority of the nation’s elders.  Let me emphasize that we’re talking about the overwhelming majority, not a small percentage who arguably made bad decisions throughout their working lives.” [Emphasis is mine.]

America’s army of starving old people will drag down younger people too. “Public finances will be pushed to the limit, crowding out other priorities such as education,” Christian E. Weller predicts in The Hill. “Moreover, economic growth will be slower than it otherwise would be because employers will have more workers whose productivity is declining, while many older families, who could start successful new businesses, will forego those opportunities.”

And the pols?

Useless, Siedle concludes. “Conservatives are trying to pare back so-called entitlements that will mushroom in the near future and liberals have failed to acknowledge the crisis or propose any solutions.”

We can hit the streets to demand action now — or we’ll be living on them later.

http://rall.com/2014/10/13/syndicated-column-millions-of-gen-xers-will-be-homeless-before-you-know-it

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21 Oct ’14 - 8:42 am
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That describes me. Although I am self employed. I feel that I am much better off though because I will have my home paid off, and know how to live on very little money. 

and I refuse to become frail!

Joking aside, it is a sobering article. 

Be RADICAL Grow Food

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